Zdravym vsetkych Varaderistov, chcel by som sa informovat ohladom fitrov, hlavne tych co si menia filtre a naplne sami. kde ich kupujete alebo objednavate a aky typ pouzivate... Napriklad ja chcem kupit vzduch. a olejovy filter a neviem ktory pouzit ci staci Hiflofiltro HFA1922, origo HONDA alebo KaN - ceny su pritom dost rozdielne. www.hzmoto.cz/cz/e-shop/c5982/filtry.html Dik za info . Idem makat , ale tesim sa na nejake info.

Preduloval som to pre Teba a tu máš K&N filter asi najlacnejší , 67,- aj s poštovným na SK :
cgi.ebay.de/HA-1003-K-N-Luftfilter-HONDA-XL-1000-V-Vara...

Alebo skús v Elit-e , prípadne u predajcov motodielov , možno vyhandrkuješ lepšiu cenu , hlavne , keď budú vopred vedieť cenu konkurencie .

ak chces jazdit na varadere mimo cestu, t.j. v prachu, tak kup original vzduchovy filter. KN tak dobre nefiltruje.

inak s hiflo (olejove filtre) a kn mam dobre skusenosti.

Diky za info jazdim po cestach.... Teraz mam menene origo v Honde ale tie ceny su niekedy na zaplakenie prehnane oproti tym ktore letia na nete... taktiez som hladal aj sviecky NGK IJR8B-9 a rozdiel je aj vyse 10e na jednej...

Originálny spotrebný materiál je zbytočný luxus. Mám skúsenosť s Hiflo, ale aj Delo (čo je asi najlacnejší výrobca). Zatial som žiadny problém nezaznamenal. Delo hladaj v Louis a inak velmi priaznivé ceny majú www.olejposta.sk . KN som nikdy nemal. Možno je to až zbytočný luxus (hlavne ak nerobíš seriózny OFF). Obyčajný paierak vydrží pomerne dlho a jeho cena nie je závratná.

Lubo> mas prejdene vsetky nahradne dielce vsetkych znaciek na trhu? Lebo tvoje tvrdenie je hodne trufale. Ale ak mas skusenost, budem rad.

Moja skusenost z aut je taka, ze napr nahrazky ako nipparts, nahle nerobia tak kvalitne diely ako origo toyota a to konkretne palivove filtre, kde nahrazky filtruju 5-7 mikronove castice zatial co origo filter 3 mikronove... Co v pripade dnesnych cien za cerpadla commonrail a trysky rozhodne stoji za to priplatit si. Papierovy vzduchovy filter od tychto vyrobcov stoji +- to iste co original toyota. Mozno u inych znaciek aut je to inak, ale nemam to prejdene, rovnako ako nemam prejdeny trh s motorkami.

matus: Samozrejme, že nie. Riešil som iba konkrétny spotrebný materiál - filter. Asi som to mal hned uviesť.

Upravené 1 krát. Naposledy upravil lubo628 (03.01.2011 13:38)

Existuje mraky výrobcov, ale bacha na ročník motorky-rôzne vzduch.filtre.

Mal som K&N vzduchac vo V-Strome. Nie je pravda, ze zachyti menej ako papierak, filter sa strieka olejom a ja som navyse pretrel mastnou handrickou aj priestor pod filtrom. Cistil som ho len na jar pred sezonou a vzdy bol priestor pod filtrom len mastny ale cisty, nikdy nie spinavy so zmesou prachu. Do Varana urcite tiez dam K&N filter, bez debaty. Cenovo vychadza skoro rovnako ako origo papier od Hondy, ale K&N je jednorazova investicia.

Co sa sviecok tyka, ved su tam iridiove uz od vyrobcu. Su trochu drahsie, ale menia sa az pri 48 tisicoch a su len dve tak co? Na stroma som daval tiez iridiove, lebo ma vysli lacnejsie ako keby som musel menit kazdych 12 tisic obycajne a pritom stromy od r. 2007 maju 4 sviecky.

Upravené 1 krát. Naposledy upravil dreamer (03.01.2011 19:55)

dreamer> a išiel si niekedy 500km za niekým v prachu?

Nevidel som žiaden test priepustnosti filtrov ale:
1. KN ma väčšiu priepustnost, takže to že horšie filtruje mi príde byť logické (na cestu je to Ok, preto som sa pýtal na teren)
2. Si jediný, kto tvrdí opak
3. penovy filter napusteny olejom sa používa v motokrose ale perie a maže sa po každej jazde!

Upravené 1 krát. Naposledy upravil matus (03.01.2011 22:57)

matus - nie je jediny - len som si zahryzol do jazyka

dreamer - a mas to tu ako som ti hovoril

matus - co na tom ze v prvom pripade je filtracne medium papier a v druhom olejom napustena bavlna - zakon logiky hovori ze vacsi prietok nizsia filtracia vsakze? - len potom nechapem preco nefiltrujeme cez igelit z 1-2 dierkami a porovnavat penovy filter z motokrosu z bavlnenym KN z cestneho endura je carovne

1. diskutujem, lebo chcem poradiť alebo sa niečo naučiť. Máš s verejnou diskusiou problém?
Alebo ti vadím ja?
2. Ak radím, robím tak vždy úprimne a nezištne, čo u teba nemusi byť
3. Porovnanie filtra a igelitu s dierkami je rozhodne čarovnejšie
4. Ukáž mi test, ktorý hodnoverne dokáže, že priepustnejší KN filter filtruje rovnako alebo lepšie ako papierový a počas koľko km
5. Ako sa správa KN filter po tom, ako sa zašpiní?

1. nie & nie - akurat som dreamera SS spravou upozornil aka tvoja reakcia pride
2. osobne utoky si nechaj na osobne stretnutie, ftipalek
3. je to presne uplne rovnaka kravina ako porovnavat papier a bavlnu - myslel som ze pochopis
4. vyhladaj si ho, niekde sam - resp. ukaz mi ty test ktory hodnoverne dokaze ze menej priepustny papierovy filter filtruje lepsie ako KN a pocas kolko km
5. udajne filtruje lepsie (podla vyrobcu - let the dirt work for you)

matus: ale vsak v pohode. Zakladatel temy sa zaujima o K&N filter ako jednu z moznosti a podla vsetkeho mu ide aj o cenu, nie len parametre. Ja som moje tvrdenie opieral o konkretnu skusenost. Za sezonu najazdim cca 20000 km a filter cistim len raz - na jar. K akemu inemu zaveru mam prist ked vidim, ze filter je zvrchu zadrbany na zaplakanie a pod nim je cisto napriek tomu, ze priestor pod nim je vymasteny ako pekac a ked prejdem po tej mastnej vrstve prstom tak je cista bez naznaku spiny? Mam si mysliet ze prepusta? Ak by prepustal po 20000 km nemal by byt pod nim aspon naznak mastnej spiny? OK, beriem, nejazdim v terene a uz vobec som nesiel 500 km v kuse v prachu, ale myslim si ze aj po 20tkm po cestach nazbieras toho dost.

Neviem anglicky , ale niečo tam spomínajú o overovaní pri motokrose a offroade :

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brazel> vdaka za clanok, avsak je to PR sprava vyrobcu...

Raptor> potom nechapem potrebu o mne pisat v sukromnych spravach. Mi to pripomina zensky kolektiv.

k veci: tak som urobil maly resers. Na zaciatok ako to funguje: bavlneny filter ma vacsie filtracne diery a preto prepusti viac vzduchu (to je overene testom). Cistiaca funkcia je zachovana vdaka oleju, ktory sa na nasavanu spinu nabali a tym nie je prepusteny cez filter. (www.ehow.com/about_6498213_function-car-air-filter.html)

Hladal som na nete, kto pouziva KN na rally. Jeden jediny odkaz som nasiel a aj to je oficialna sprava od KN, ze ju pouzival cech na 4kolke na Dakare. (www.knfilters.com/news/news.aspx?id=716)
Inak nic.

Podarilo sa mi vsak najst test filtrov
Pozri obrázok

"In the chart above it’s important to note the different test durations for each filter. The AC Delco filter test ran for 60 minutes before exceeding the restriction limit while the AMSOIL and K&N tests each ran for 20 and 24 minutes respectively before reaching max restriction. In 60 minutes the AC Filter accumulated 574gms of dirt and passed only 0.4gms. After only 24 minutes the K&N had accumulated 221gms of dirt but passed 7.0gms. Compared to the AC air filter, the K&N “plugged up” nearly 3 times faster, passed 18 times more dirt and captured 37% less dirt."


Dalsi test potvrdzuje predchodzi - papierovy filter filtruje najlepsie
www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm

Vyjadrenie KN k tomuto testu: K&N stating their filters filter within 99% of the OEM filters, cim sam priznava ze filtruje horsie.


Obraz nech si spravi kazdy sam.
Zaujimalo by ma Raptor, preco tvrdis, ze KN filtruje lepsie, ked testy a samotny vyrobca hovoria nieco ine.

matus okrem toho ze si zbytocne vztahovacny (dreamerovi som tvoje meno nespomenul ani nijak na teba nenarazal - kludne si u neho over co som mu vlastne napisal) je to cele jednoduche - aby som ti (a nielen tebe) zistne (hlavne zistne) poradil horsie a hlavne drahsie riesenie

tvoja veta "Vyjadrenie KN k tomuto testu: K&N stating their filters filter within 99% of the OEM filters, cim sam priznava ze filtruje horsie." je ukazkovo zavadzajuca a vytrhnuta z kontextu

I actually received an e-mail from K&N stating their filters filter within 99% of the OEM filters. This may be true, and 1% may not sound like much. I contend that 1% over many miles, may be important. Really, it is up to each individual to decide.

a mohol by som to rozoberat dalej, pytat sa ta na to kto je autorom testov ale je mi to volne, kazdy nech si da comu veri a pri rallye to mas v konecnom dosledku aj tak jedno lebo ten piesok aj tak prejde - ale tam sa na zivotnost motora z dlhodobeho hladiska aj tak nepozera - tiez by sa dalo polemizovat o tom co urobi prachova castica vo vnutri motora ak prejde filtrom (zhori? znici piestny kruzok?) ale naco -

velmi ma tesi ze si vyslovil domnienku o mojej uprimnosti a zistnosti - take nieco cloveku pomaha byt lepsim - nemal som ja tomu duggovi odmietnut predat tie Mitasky E-10

koncim na temu filtrov

za chvilu ti tu prida niekto !neplatenu reklamu" stylom - u mna je to tento a tento, z atolko a tolko www.pes.sk

Raptor, neviem co sa ti nezdalo na tej citacii, ziadne vytrhnutie z kontextu...

Zabudnime na vzajomnu animozitu a podme sa bavit objektivne:
spochybnujes testy, ktore som nasiel na internete. Ja cestne prehlasujem, ze to boli prve 2 testy na ktore som narazil.
Urcite mas pravo ich spochybnit - vsetko moze byt podplatene alebo test chybne urobeny (hoci jeden je podla ich tvrdenia robeny na zaklade ISO normy).

Ukaz mi 2 testy, ktore tvrdia, ze KN filtruje lepsie ako papierovy filter.

matus
mkiv.com/techarticles/filters_test/2/

Upravené 1 krát. Naposledy upravil powerflow (04.01.2011 12:35)

kazdy filter je dobry ,hlavne ked je novy neee aj svicky,len zivotnost je ze vraj kratsa,ale za malo penes ,necekaj vela.urcite by som nekupuval v autorizovenm servise,sak pouzi stryca googla ,kery ci ponukne naj,cenu

matus ja k tebe ziadnu animozitu necitim to ze sa nezhodneme na jednom posratom KN filtri u mna o animozite nerozhoduje - a ako som napisal na temu filtrov som v tejto teme skoncil